Zhanna Agalakova was
Agalakova was a major player as a journalist on Russia's most watched television station.
She has resigned from her job and has left Russia and may now be living in Paris. The BBC interview took place in Amsterdam.
She spoke about the two worlds, the world of destruction and war that is happening in Ukraine and how it is presented on Russian television as Ukrainian cheering citizens greet Russian soldiers with flowers.
She is not convinced sanctions will work.
Her advice to all Russians is to switch off Russian television and to get their news anywhere but on Russian television.
Zhanna Agalakova said that the malevolence of Putin has spread right across the country, as far as its eastern borders.
Riveting television.
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